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« on: December 30, 2008, 06:27:22 PM »

1,000 years on, perils of fake Viking swords are revealed
Maev Kennedy The Guardian, Saturday 27 December 2008 Article history

The difference between a fake Viking sword and the real thing would only have emerged in the heat of battle. Photograph: PA

It must have been an appalling moment when a Viking realised he had paid two cows for a fake designer sword; a clash of blade on blade in battle would have led to his sword, still sharp enough to slice through bone, shattering like glass.

"You really didn't want to have that happen," said Dr Alan Williams, an archaeometallurgist and consultant to the Wallace Collection, the London museum which has one of the best assemblies of ancient weapons in the world. He and Tony Fry, a senior researcher at the National Physical Laboratory in Teddington, south-west London, have solved a riddle that the Viking swordsmiths may have sensed but didn't quite understand.

Some Viking swords were among the best ever made, still fearsome weapons after a millennium. The legendary swords found at Viking sites across northern Europe bear the maker's name, Ulfberht, in raised letters at the hilt end. Puzzlingly, so do the worst ones, found in fragments on battle sites or in graves.

The Vikings would have found it impossible to tell the difference when they bought a newly forged sword: both would have looked identical, and had razor sharp blades. The difference would have only emerged in use, often fatally.

Williams began to test the Ulfberht blades when a private collector brought one into the Wallace, and found they varied wildly. The tests at the NPL have proved that the inferior swords were forged in northern Europe from locally worked iron. But the genuine ones were made from ingots of crucible steel, which the Vikings brought back from furnaces thousands of miles away in modern Afghanistan and Iran. The tests at Teddington proved the genuine Ulfberht swords had a phenomenally high carbon content, three times that of the fakes, and half again that of modern carbon steel.

The contemporary fake Ulfberhts used the best northern metal working techniques, which hardened the metal by quenching - plunging the red-hot blade into cold water. It enabled them to give the blade a keen edge, but made it fatally brittle.

In the 11th century the Russians blocked the trade route, and the supply of crucible steel ended. Evidence is emerging that the swords from burials are the fakes, or the work of less prestigious makers. The genuine Ulfberhts have mostly been found in rivers. "I don't think these were ritual offerings," Williams said. "They are mostly from rivers near settlement sites, and I think what you have almost certainly is some poor chap staggering home drunk, falling into the river and losing his sword. An expensive mistake."

Their work has also proved that many of the Ulfberht swords in some of the most famous weapons collections in the world are fakes. The Wallace's is the real McCoy, but the one brought in by the private collector which started the hunt turned out to be fake.
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2008, 03:19:47 AM »

It says the Quenching in water made the swords brittle, were there different quenching techniques used or was it the high carbon content in the crucible steel that stopped it being so brittle? ( sorry for the dumb question- forging is still a mystical art to me)
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2008, 06:19:30 AM »

Not a dumb question at all.
It was a most likely a combination of the quench which was most likely not straight water but brine and the high carbon content. Water and brine are a very fast quench and would really get the most out of the carbon in the steel. With the higher carbon it would make the blade more brittle. The higher the carbon conent the higher the harder the steel is. Hard = brittle while tough = flexible the goal is to try and get a good combination of both.

 I'm not sure if oils were used as quench mediums or not in Scandinavia and the Alnglo Saxon regions. I can't see why they wouldn't have known about that method. But it probably wasn't necessary with their steel production as getting a consistant carbon content was a hit or miss kind of game. Which is why they did pattern welding simmilar to the Japanese folding method to get a more homogenious bar of steel.

The way steel was made between the middle east and the rest of Europe at that time was very differtent. Europe really didn't get into crucible steels untill the Industrial Revolution 700 years after the Vikings.
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2008, 08:55:00 AM »

Getting ripped off now sucks imagine getting ripped off a 1000 years ago hahha, to think of traveling all the way back to the scum who sold you the blade just to kill him.  Id give the guy a blood eagle haha.
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2008, 09:27:25 AM »

Ow ow ouch! harsh but fair.
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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2008, 02:37:19 PM »

Getting ripped off now sucks imagine getting ripped off a 1000 years ago hahha, to think of traveling all the way back to the scum who sold you the blade just to kill him.  Id give the guy a blood eagle haha.

I would think that a fitting punishment if you lived long enough to see it trough. Most liklely you would know your sword was a cheap knockoff untill it failied on you in a fight and then your screwed.
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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2008, 02:48:29 PM »

Hmmm... yeah, hard to get recompence with bits of you missing. Did the vikings go in for family revenge?
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« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2008, 05:37:58 PM »

Oh yeah! Revenge is a big theme in the sagas. The other intersting thing that the Vikings did was wereguild. If you killed a man the allthing (court) could rule that you had to pay the man's worth to his family.
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