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Re: Knife fighting by Paul Vunak
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Quote from: RS6-BLADES on August 13, 2009, 12:20:49 AM
DUDE, Anaphylactic shock is the most severe allergic reaction. FYI the only way someone goes into after being cut would be they are allergic to steel. lol..
Cutting someone is the same as Larkin will teach, it will give that Spinal Reflex Reaction that constitutes the Injury leaving the opening for further damage. This is the same as all the other forms teach. Some do not go as deep into follow through.
The basic premise is to be comfortable with using Violence as a tool to inflict damage more effectively than your opponent can do to you.
We seem to be saying the same thing here. BTW why you all hopped up on Larkin's writings? Have you attended any of the seminars?
Sorry about that. Had been awhile since I watched those particular vids by Vunak, and I could of swore that was the terminology that he used. But regardless, you aren't going to go into instant shock as he suggests from those vids.
I think that we are saying the same thing but perhaps in a different manner. The reason for why I am so up on Larkins readings, is because he is the first guy I've found that teaches what I always thought it was about. Like I say I've studied Kenpo, Aikido, Wing Chun, to differing degrees, I've even studied some Brazilian Jujitsu, in my search. But Tim Larkin was the very first guy to say, "Just hit the guy. Take out his brain and everything else goes away." Nobody I have met thus far or trained with is doing that shit. As far as his seminars no, I have never been, I've trained with a few of his students here and there. I wish I had the cash to fly to San Diego and train with the guy, but the bottome line, is it's real hard to refute what he says. Had the opportunity to go to one of his seminars and the two days before I was gonna pay the money and go, I got layed off. So, it isn't from lack of want.
As far as the Spinal Reflex Reaction, yeah your arm is going to jerk away in pain when you get cut, but I don't think that is going to be a debilitating, (fight ending)injury. Beyond that you have to remember that in the context of the video, Paul Vunak is talking about people flicking the knife at you. I don't care how fast you are, you aren't defanging the snake if you have to react to my knife flick. YOur gonna be just that split second behind. Put it to you this way. The next time that your in training do the reflex drill with your partner. Just stand arms width apart from each other both of you with your hands down. One guy gets to attack while the other one has to defend, see how long it takes you to block his flick. If he touches you, you lose, if you block it it's your turn. Simple, it's a lot of fun. But you'll find out, that even just hand to hand, reaction time is way slower than action. You can even tell your training partner where you gonna touch him, and he can't stop you. you can show him six different targets, and he won't stop you. I know I've done it. That is my point about defanging the snake, if you can't stop a punch you aint gonna stop a knife. The only thing that will change things in your favor will be breaking things inside your opponent, as you well know.
Anyways yeah we saying the same thing. I just keep saying the same thing. WHy? Because I think it's important. I've been in a lot of fights in my life, had my ass whooped pretty bad a couple of times, learned my lessons, and moved on. Had I known what I know now, well, maybe things would have been different. It wasn't about points, it wasn't about who is the better fighter, it really was about who is willing to pick up a stick or a rock or whatever is handy and just bash the guy. But I digress I'm tired. I'm going to bed to have some sweet dreams about something with skin tight leather and chrome. WTF OVER?!?!?!?
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Re: Knife fighting by Paul Vunak
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Tim teaches a similar thing in that you have to inflict the Spinal Reflex injury in order to open the opportunity to TARGETS.
Paul never said that would be the end of the attack, but merely when the fun begins.
It is instinctive reaction to a cut on the body to look and grab. When that occurs the body position opens a whole new approach path to inflicting violence.
lol... Haven't you watched "The Hunted"? lol....
Tim simply talks a bit more plainly about achieving the end result and ANYONE can do it. The important thing is someone may know how but Intent to do it is entirely different beast.
There are many so called experts that teach ways to do things based on models and study of anatomy but few have executed the skills. The mental capacity to twist someones head until the life passes out of the body is all in the INTENT of execution. You can learn the skill in a day, but the intent to do it is entirely your own.
Tim does a really good job of teaching skills and mental approach to implementing the violence to execute the intent. So does Bushido.
The mental aspect of the engagement is what the Victor has as his burden.
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Re: Knife fighting by Paul Vunak
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Quote from: RS6-BLADES on August 13, 2009, 10:38:21 AM
Tim teaches a similar thing in that you have to inflict the Spinal Reflex injury in order to open the opportunity to TARGETS.
Paul never said that would be the end of the attack, but merely when the fun begins.
It is instinctive reaction to a cut on the body to look and grab. When that occurs the body position opens a whole new approach path to inflicting violence.
lol... Haven't you watched "The Hunted"? lol....
Tim simply talks a bit more plainly about achieving the end result and ANYONE can do it. The important thing is someone may know how but Intent to do it is entirely different beast.
There are many so called experts that teach ways to do things based on models and study of anatomy but few have executed the skills. The mental capacity to twist someones head until the life passes out of the body is all in the INTENT of execution. You can learn the skill in a day, but the intent to do it is entirely your own.
Tim does a really good job of teaching skills and mental approach to implementing the violence to execute the intent. So does Bushido.
The mental aspect of the engagement is what the Victor has as his burden.
Intent is key I have no argument towards that end. Speaking of that I been trying to get some information on that Haganah system that you brought up in your last post. Been trying to find some vids I can check out before I make a purchase.
But want to look into it. Sounds from what I can find like a pretty interesting and useful system. Thanks.
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DAMN YALL ARE SOME PRETTY TALKING FELLAS....GET IN GET THE WORK DONE AND GET GONE AND PATCH UP THE CUT BITS.. OUT LIVE YOUR ENEMY IS THE CUELEST CUT I KNOW OF...THAT WAY YOU CAN MAKE HIS OL`LADY YOUR PROPERTY...LOLOLOL..LIKE THE MAN SAID.... IF YOU DIE FIRST WERE SPLITIN UP YOUR GEAR...NUFF SAID..IT AINT PRETTY JUST REAL...
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Quote from: olddawg on August 15, 2009, 09:59:38 PM
DAMN YALL ARE SOME PRETTY TALKING FELLAS....GET IN GET THE WORK DONE AND GET GONE AND PATCH UP THE CUT BITS.. OUT LIVE YOUR ENEMY IS THE CUELEST CUT I KNOW OF...THAT WAY YOU CAN MAKE HIS OL`LADY YOUR PROPERTY...LOLOLOL..LIKE THE MAN SAID.... IF YOU DIE FIRST WERE SPLITIN UP YOUR GEAR...NUFF SAID..IT AINT PRETTY JUST REAL...
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Techinques and Tactics are all great until it all goes to Sh&^%t. I have several of his videos and I have learned some stuff. The most important do quick and do it fast. I like in my previous post. Get something between you and the guy with the knife ie, chair, table, or car. If you can run. Knife fighting is pretty gruesome and there is alot of bleeding going on on both sides. Things become slippery. Most of the time you don't realize you are being stabbed if you don't see the knife. Most people I have interveiwed thought they were being punched until the bad guy was gone. They visually see their blood or adrenaline wears off.
Most of the time it is knife survival. Is there one great technique or instucter in knife fighting. I would say no, I would say check them all out and choose what works for you.
I like Keep it Simple Stupid rule. Oh, and carry two guns.
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Re: Knife fighting by Paul Vunak
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Quote from: wildman on December 13, 2009, 10:58:31 PM
Techinques and Tactics are all great until it all goes to Sh&^%t. I have several of his videos and I have learned some stuff. The most important do quick and do it fast. I like in my previous post. Get something between you and the guy with the knife ie, chair, table, or car. If you can run. Knife fighting is pretty gruesome and there is alot of bleeding going on on both sides. Things become slippery. Most of the time you don't realize you are being stabbed if you don't see the knife. Most people I have interveiwed thought they were being punched until the bad guy was gone. They visually see their blood or adrenaline wears off.
Most of the time it is knife survival. Is there one great technique or instucter in knife fighting. I would say no, I would say check them all out and choose what works for you.
I like Keep it Simple Stupid rule. Oh, and carry two guns.
Wildman I agree in spades. As a teacher of kombate lanseta (combat knife) I try to get my people to understand that there is no such thing as a knife fighter, only knife survivors. My first lesson to each and every student is simple, RUN....I let them know that it isn't a dick swinging contest and to gain distance between you and the attacker is one of the best ways to live. If the run option is impinged then get something between you and him...a car, a tree, anything. If one is foolish enough to engage in a duel then all hope of sanity is lost, as the late Edgar Sulite (founder of LAMECO) once said...."Only two things will happen in a knife duel, one goes to the hospital the other the morgue"...truer words were never spoke. No matter the skill level of the opponents everyone can be got. In the Philippines they also have a saying "To fight a skilled man with the knife is difficult, to fight the insane man with a knife is near impossible"..they deem this mindset as weedo weedo, or nuts....he is unpredictable, he has no regaurd for his own life let alone yours.
Having been stabbed on 2 occasions I totally agree with the summation, IT FELT LIKE A PUNCH..it damn sure did...never new I was bleeding out until my right lung started deflating , then the normal stress adrenaline sets in, the fear the blood etc. Never listen to a person who says they can fight through knife wounds...that is horse shit of the classic form....you take a slice in the hand from a RED SCORPION SIX blade and I guarantee you your gonna be bleeding so damn bad , the pain will be crazy and the fear will wig you out..and yes a severe deep laceration to the hand can kill your ass (in many fashions).
There are some very good knife instructors out there and some dumb asses who don't know there butt from a salad bowl..CAVEAT EMPTOR (buyer beware)...a lot teach dueling and flash..as for me I teach common sense..practical, methodical, principal based motion....
Here is a list of who I would train with, in no particular order:
1. Me (a shameless plug)...lol
2. Leo Gaje (Pekititersia Kali's)
3. Kelly Worden
4. Lt. Colonel Dwight McCelmore (ret.) (western knive combatves)
5. James Keating
6. Tom Kier (SAYOC)
7. Mike Janich
8. Marc MacYoung
9. Graziano Galvani (Nova Scrimia)
I am sure there are many more who are top notch...I have trained with a few of these guys..all top notch and good people
In the end always remember...specifics are important but not vital..hit what is offered...IT IS A KNIFE, IT HAS A TIP AND AN EDGE, WHATEVER IT TOUCHES IT WILL DESTROY.....dueling is for dummies....pick and pop, play range and be safe......
A knife is an ambush weapon..not a dueling weapon!
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